WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.560 So we also worked on this exemption back in the days. 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:06.720 It's comparable with our work on the cyber resilience act 00:00:06.720 --> 00:00:08.920 and the product liability directives. 00:00:08.920 --> 00:00:12.080 So that we wanted to protect individual developers. 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:15.160 We wanted to protect their communities, 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:18.680 projects to not fall under regulations 00:00:18.680 --> 00:00:21.920 if they release something under a free software license. 00:00:24.200 --> 00:00:26.120 Before we start of the podcast, 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:28.240 we would like to say thank you to all of you 00:00:28.240 --> 00:00:30.880 who support the FSFE's work of money. 00:00:31.880 --> 00:00:33.480 Working for software freedom 00:00:33.480 --> 00:00:36.000 and producing podcasts cost money. 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:39.360 Please consider supporting us with our donation 00:00:39.360 --> 00:00:43.320 on the FSFE.org/donate and in the show notes. 00:00:43.320 --> 00:01:11.800 Okay. So let's get started. Yes. Yes. Hello. 00:01:11.800 --> 00:01:14.200 And welcome to the software freedom podcast. 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:17.320 The podcast is presented to you by the Free Software Foundation 00:01:17.320 --> 00:01:21.360 Europe. We are a charity that empowers users to take control 00:01:21.360 --> 00:01:23.680 of technology. I'm Bonnie Mehring. 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:26.280 And I'm here with my colleague Alex. Hi, Alex. 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:29.280 Thank you so much for being here. Yeah, thanks for having me. 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:32.440 I'm happy to be again in the podcast episode talking with you 00:01:32.440 --> 00:01:35.080 about policy topics of the European Union. 00:01:35.080 --> 00:01:38.440 And today we will talk about the AI act and latest developments here. 00:01:39.440 --> 00:01:42.920 So Alex, we are nearly there in the summer pass. 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:46.000 But this year it does not really look like a good start 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.160 for the European Parliament or at least at a relaxing start. 00:01:49.160 --> 00:01:51.520 Can you tell us what's happened in the last weeks? 00:01:51.520 --> 00:01:55.160 Yeah, absolutely. And so a few years ago, 00:01:55.160 --> 00:02:01.960 we debated around the regulation of AI and the result was the famous AI act. 00:02:01.960 --> 00:02:07.880 And in August, the first regulations of the AI act will enter into force. 00:02:08.440 --> 00:02:14.280 And followed by other regulations going to be implemented by summer 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:19.880 2026. So we are now basically in the moment where the first 00:02:19.880 --> 00:02:23.480 regulations of the AI act enter into force and companies have to 00:02:23.480 --> 00:02:28.440 fulfill the obligations from the AI act. But companies are now 00:02:28.440 --> 00:02:32.840 attacking the AI act and they go with a so-called stop the clock 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:36.680 attempt. So they want that the AI act is going to be 00:02:36.760 --> 00:02:40.440 paused at least for the next two years so that they can implement 00:02:40.440 --> 00:02:44.200 the rules of the AI act. This actually basically, 00:02:44.200 --> 00:02:47.400 yeah, one could say an attack on the whole AI act. 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:51.400 So they said, want to have this stopped, which would mean 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:55.880 all the regulations and rules the decision-makers came up with just 00:02:55.880 --> 00:02:59.080 recently would not enter into force. 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:02.680 Nothing would happen. AI would remain unregulated 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:06.280 for the next years. And that's something, yeah, which 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:10.040 has huge effects in particular on consumers in the opinion, but also 00:03:10.040 --> 00:03:14.280 worldwide. Since I think the rules that became up with 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:19.880 in the AI act have a reason, right? So since we want to regulate AI and 00:03:19.880 --> 00:03:25.480 we see actual debates what AI is doing and how it could harm. 00:03:25.480 --> 00:03:30.120 And thus we need this regulation. And that's why we need to talk about this 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:34.360 attempt. Why it's there, what it would mean and also how civil 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:39.720 society reacted on this since this attempt by the companies 00:03:39.720 --> 00:03:45.000 was not a standalone activity, but civil society actors also reacted on this 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:49.240 yesterday and countering this and asking the commission 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:55.800 to stand and keep the position to let the AI act enter into force. 00:03:55.800 --> 00:04:00.840 So a lot is happening. I think we will walk through this step by step, right? 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:05.400 Yeah, that's a good idea. I think so as well. 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:09.080 Because I was like, oh my god, there's a lot of time 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:13.480 passing by. And I mean, there are only a few days left until August. So 00:04:13.480 --> 00:04:19.080 and until the AI act starts. So but let's start with the beginning. 00:04:19.080 --> 00:04:23.400 Can you vary briefly outline what the scope of the AI act is? I know it's a 00:04:23.400 --> 00:04:29.480 document with over 100 pages, but is there a way to break this down for 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:33.880 me and our listeners? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the European Union 00:04:33.880 --> 00:04:40.920 were discussing AI already a few years ago. So I think now it's 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:45.160 even seven or eight years ago when the parliament even created an 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:50.680 own committee where they discussed AI, the commission were running tons of 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:54.200 consultations and so on and so forth. And then they started to work on the law, 00:04:54.200 --> 00:04:58.040 drafting this law. And during that time when the law was 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:02.200 discussed then in the institutions, even after the commission proposal, 00:05:02.200 --> 00:05:09.160 all of these famous LLM's popped up, right? So and thus they also want to 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:13.000 regulate this. And in the nutshell, the European Union came up with a 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:17.800 regulation for high risk AI, but also they regulated so-called 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:23.160 general purpose AI. And the rules on these general purpose AI, 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:27.000 they are going to be entered into force in August. So this is what we are 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:31.880 facing now. And on the high risk AI, this is going to enter into force 00:05:31.880 --> 00:05:36.920 next year, 2026. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, before we dive into this, before we dive into this, 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:42.520 what is general purpose of AI and what is high risk AI? Yeah, a general purpose. 00:05:42.520 --> 00:05:45.400 Yeah, a general purpose AI is basically what we 00:05:45.400 --> 00:05:50.200 is something like chat GPT or these large language models, right? Hacking phase or 00:05:50.200 --> 00:05:57.400 all of these. This is general purpose AI, but also this general purpose AI, but also 00:05:57.400 --> 00:06:01.640 other AI that reaches certain thresholds. So to say when it's 00:06:01.640 --> 00:06:07.080 interfering with fundamental rights, for example, or if it's going 00:06:07.080 --> 00:06:11.800 beyond asking questions, get the answer and can 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:16.120 live is it? Yeah, but if this AI takes decisions, for example, right? So 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:22.040 and which could lead to serious harms. So then it's called a high risk AI. 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:25.880 And then there are more obligations on how you need to handle this. So there are 00:06:25.880 --> 00:06:30.520 transparency rules and there are like which kind of data could be used in 00:06:30.520 --> 00:06:36.120 which way do you need to inform consumers about it? And all of these kind of 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:41.640 like regulations are there. And in particular, how data could be used in 00:06:41.640 --> 00:06:46.600 which way? This is what people discuss. There's also currently a debate 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:51.480 ongoing about copyright in this regard, right? And one could say it's not a 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:56.840 completely regulated AI. There are also ongoing other discussions. There is 00:06:56.840 --> 00:07:01.880 the so-called omnibus package so proposed by the Commission to 00:07:01.880 --> 00:07:07.560 simplify rules for companies in general. Also AI plays a role here. 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:12.120 We have a copyright debate in the European Parliament on AI. There was also the 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:17.720 AI Liability Act, which was withdrawn. So there is a lot of other AI 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:23.240 discussions ongoing and companies now fear that they have unclear rules to 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:26.760 follow and that they what they set up today is going to be 00:07:26.760 --> 00:07:31.480 reformed in a few months or in a very short time. And so that's why they 00:07:32.440 --> 00:07:37.320 for administrative burdens and for like over regulation they want to 00:07:37.320 --> 00:07:43.800 pause this. So and also the RQ that this is your losing jobs blah blah blah 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:47.320 that's clear. They are losing money. But also the RQ is digital 00:07:47.320 --> 00:07:51.560 sovereignty. Since they say look it's the European market which is regulated 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:55.320 while other markets are not regulated in particular at the US market. 00:07:55.320 --> 00:07:59.240 And that's why we are losing crowned and by thus we are losing digital 00:07:59.880 --> 00:08:03.720 sovereignty. So that's part of their argumentation. And that's how they look 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:07.800 on those regulations on high risk and the general purpose of AI. 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:13.400 But most of the lobby attempts are like pretty short term oriented on this 00:08:13.400 --> 00:08:17.160 general purpose AI. So basically what we know as 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:24.040 chat GPT and we'd like that. So this is basically what we are talking about now. 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:27.720 My last question in the regard to AI act is 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:32.360 I research how free software is standing in it. And I find out 00:08:32.360 --> 00:08:37.800 the regulation does not apply to AI systems released under free and open-source licenses. 00:08:38.680 --> 00:08:45.080 Unless they are placed on the market or put into service as high-risk AI systems 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:51.400 or as an AI system that falls under some of special articles. Anything you want to amend 00:08:51.400 --> 00:08:57.480 here or to add. Yeah so and that's the interesting part now. So we also worked on this 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:02.360 exemption back in the days. It's comparable with our work on the cyber resilience act and the 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:08.680 product liability directives. So that we wanted to protect individual developers. We wanted to 00:09:08.680 --> 00:09:15.960 protect their communities projects to not fall under regulations if they release something under 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:22.680 free software license. And this is for example used by Big Tech. And then you as a small project 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:29.560 have to take the applications and not Big Tech. This is a short break for our own cause. 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:35.320 Thank you for listening to the software freedom podcast. Working for software freedom and 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:41.000 producing podcasts costs money. Please consider supporting us with a donation 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:44.760 under fsfe.org/donate and then the show notes. 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:54.360 And this is for example used by Big Tech. And then you as a small project have to take the 00:09:54.360 --> 00:10:00.920 applications and not Big Tech. That's the status and around this group which I just said that they 00:10:00.920 --> 00:10:07.000 send the letter to the European Commission to pause the AI act to stop the clock. So they want 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:14.120 to postpone all of this as said at least for two years. But it's also interesting how they 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:22.120 argue. So again, so it's on a loose innovation power that they will do with jobs and so on and 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:27.880 so forth. And it's also interesting if you look at the investments that have been already put into 00:10:27.880 --> 00:10:34.280 AI in the last years. So to say there is a lot of money in this game. And we also learned that 00:10:34.280 --> 00:10:40.920 first day eye companies struggle a lot to make profit out of this. So and this means whatever comes 00:10:40.920 --> 00:10:48.600 up that will cost them might and in this duration that we see AI companies struggling or even 00:10:50.040 --> 00:10:57.800 just burning money and go bankrupt. And so thus they start to lobby. So and they do not 00:10:57.800 --> 00:11:04.600 have to be regulated. And since this is what they fear is costing a lot of money. And but that's 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:10.200 they fear their profits. So in this way then those jobs and so on and so forth. But also they 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:16.200 argue and they use the word digital sovereignty here. So and this is interesting since we for 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:22.840 example say digital sovereignty means for us also that yeah you need to look at your core 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:28.200 infrastructure. This is free software of core infrastructure. Also we have this public money 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:34.280 public code campaign where we ask that publicly financed software should be made available under 00:11:34.280 --> 00:11:41.000 free software license. So with this I do believe this is something which is really digital 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:47.000 sovereignty right. So as you said you want to have control over your technology. But what they are 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:54.280 doing is not having control over technology. But rather coming up with unregulated AI. And this 00:11:54.280 --> 00:11:59.960 is what they are asking for and claiming this to be digital sovereignty. And that's an interesting 00:11:59.960 --> 00:12:06.200 move how they try to frame this word now in a way that is completely misleading and also has 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:12.360 nothing to do with digital sovereignty. So what is an unregulated AI coming from the European 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:19.000 Union. So how does this contribute to digital sovereignty. So and here we can see that they 00:12:20.040 --> 00:12:27.400 yeah really using like every every bullet they have in order to to make their point. And also 00:12:27.400 --> 00:12:34.440 it looks a bit like that they are a bit desperate. So to say it's also lacking arguments. So 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:40.760 the only argument they come up with is we will lose jobs. And I do believe if you look at these 00:12:40.760 --> 00:12:46.840 companies they always say we are over regulated right and we want to have less regulation. But this 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:54.360 also means no protection for consumers. And here we need to say that we came up to say I act not 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:59.960 in the first place right not to regulate a market so to say but in the first place to protect 00:12:59.960 --> 00:13:06.600 consumers. And I do believe it's a valid point when we talk about this AI and when we also when 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:13.000 we see what AI is capable to do to protect consumers to inform consumers right. I find this very 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:19.720 fascinating because okay I have two questions that came to my mind during this conversation now. 00:13:20.280 --> 00:13:26.120 I will ask the first one first and then I will also ask the second one okay. So the first one 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:32.440 I find it's very fascinating this kind of argumentation especially those the argument of digital 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:40.600 sovereignty as I keep on hearing this more often and often no matter where I go like to different 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:46.760 conferences at different technological festivals. This is an argument that I hear a lot from 00:13:47.560 --> 00:13:54.760 more of the right being spectrum of politics to be honest. And I find this very interesting 00:13:54.760 --> 00:14:01.560 to see how they are how they argumentate that regulation is actually harming innovation. 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:08.040 And yeah I'm very interested in this conversation there and I very interested to see how this 00:14:08.040 --> 00:14:15.640 will play out in a more political sphere as well. Any takes on that? Yeah I mean when also 00:14:15.640 --> 00:14:20.680 laugh on the line back in the days introduce this term digital sovereignty I already feel that 00:14:20.680 --> 00:14:29.320 this will be a huge fight around the term. So since nobody really knew or defined what it means 00:14:30.280 --> 00:14:37.560 what is digital sovereignty right. So and what was happening is that most of the time topics were 00:14:37.560 --> 00:14:43.800 discussed under this frame it was about chips it was about undersea cables it was also about software 00:14:43.880 --> 00:14:50.680 but it was never clear what's the concrete scope of this and what to achieve right so and thus 00:14:50.680 --> 00:14:57.320 it remained always a buzzword. I think the debate in the last or in the first term of also laugh 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:03.320 on the line also showcased that there's a need to be a bit more precise here and that's why 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:09.720 they also slightly change the term and introduce this kind of work on the first commissioner 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:16.360 working on so-called tech sovereignty. So the European Commission distanced itself one could say 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:22.360 from the term digital sovereignty and transferring it to tech sovereignty still this means it's 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:27.960 also not completely defined and this also means that everyone out there is trying to define it. We 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:33.800 try to define it if our right is trying to define it big tech is trying to define it and the 00:15:33.800 --> 00:15:40.440 question is where do we end here so and it's definitely a fight which also yeah it's addressing 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:47.320 some various or so the result is some very strange arguments and some very strange attempts 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:53.400 to influence politics. We also see now a very strong movement the so-called Bayou 00:15:54.600 --> 00:16:00.120 movement which is then in the far right often by national so for example in France they say 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:08.040 by French or in Germany by German so it's going in a completely wrong direction since if you look 00:16:08.040 --> 00:16:13.400 at the digital world we have to acknowledge that this is a global thing right so there is nothing 00:16:13.400 --> 00:16:21.000 like a national digital so everything is connected everywhere globally and for this I mean we all know 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:27.240 free software plays a crucial role here and it's absolutely makes no sense to for example go 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:33.080 to everyone to have a European software since this will lead to a sovereignty. First we have 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:38.680 seen with the case of Mistral that it could easily happen that you have a European company the 00:16:38.680 --> 00:16:45.000 Monday and the next day it's a US company but also code is coming from all over the world right and 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:51.080 be do not build from scratch but we build on what's already out there and this is again a global thing 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:56.600 and I do feel that we are running this debate in a completely wrong direction since we 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:05.240 rather talk about borders then instead of like how do we and globally react yeah it takes to our 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:11.400 core infrastructure which have influences on the whole world and not just Europe or the 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:18.680 western world so to say right and this is something which we can see so that everyone is using 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:24.680 or one could also say miss using the term ditches of rarity or in other terms in order to make 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:31.640 their points for their business or to argue for their ideology right so since the European 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:36.920 Commission did not really define what they mean so and this is also something which we need to 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:42.840 address in this term and we already discussed this in latest podcast episodes when we were talking 00:17:42.840 --> 00:17:50.120 about the taxoranity report as well as a procurement report where I do believe that if we manage it 00:17:50.120 --> 00:17:56.920 to talk about strategic goals in taxoranity and procurement then we are also able to define 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:02.840 what we really mean with this and also are able to claim that this is a global thing and not a 00:18:02.840 --> 00:18:11.480 national nor a European activity which is which is ending at borders so to say or that we do not 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:19.480 mean the free flow of unregulated AI with digital sovereignty but that we mean we want to have 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:29.800 controls over technology. True free software. Precisely. I just wanted to add just a little bit to 00:18:29.800 --> 00:18:42.440 do so nicely dear. All right and now I'm wondering so we already discussed that there is an 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:50.840 exception for free software that is not high risk AI systems and we already discussed that there's 00:18:50.840 --> 00:18:59.400 this letter but how a civil society is a whole reacting to this. So and just one or two days after 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:05.560 this letter of the companies have been released so maybe let's also start from scratch here so the 00:19:06.040 --> 00:19:11.720 so there was discussions around stopping the clock. The European Commission spokesperson 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:18.520 said we won't stop the clock we are going to continue then the CEO came up with this open 00:19:18.520 --> 00:19:24.600 letter we just discussed and another two days later the yeah basically European civil society 00:19:24.600 --> 00:19:30.920 stand up and also wrote the open letter and said to the Commission stand where you are and 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:37.720 do not stop the clock it's important that the regulation is going to be implemented as for 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:44.680 seen and as planned. So and with the European Digital Society the mainly mean European Digital Rights 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:50.280 which is the umbrella organization of digital rights organizations from Europe where we are also 00:19:50.280 --> 00:19:57.240 a member of this organization and others like consumer protections organizations so for example 00:19:57.320 --> 00:20:03.080 Boyk was there and so which is basically the umbrella organization of all consumer protection 00:20:03.080 --> 00:20:07.960 agencies in the member states or this would be for example in Germany and the from power 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:13.960 central so there are these official consumer protection bodies that have an umbrella organizations 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:19.480 there so even there so which is basically a very an organization also paid by governments 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:26.840 so they also fight here for consumer rights so a large group of 50 organizations 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:32.600 of civil society organizations coming from the digital but also from the consumer protection 00:20:33.320 --> 00:20:41.400 area came together to counter this letter of the companies and and said look if we need 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:48.360 these rules since we want to protect consumers and so now I do believe that there will be a fight 00:20:48.360 --> 00:20:55.240 over the summer break until August if the commission will stand at its position and will implement 00:20:55.240 --> 00:21:02.040 as for seen or if the companies will be successful with their lobbying and that there will be a stop 00:21:02.040 --> 00:21:09.080 the clock mechanism. Also since we have this deadline with August which is just a few weeks ahead 00:21:09.080 --> 00:21:15.880 of us or I expect to be I expect to see more of these kinds of initiatives more pressure on the 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:21.640 commission and it will be very interesting to see if the commission will stand at its position and 00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:27.080 we need to support them right so we need to go there and argue against so that's why it was a very 00:21:27.080 --> 00:21:34.840 good thing from European Digital society as well as consumer protection bodies to to come up with 00:21:34.840 --> 00:21:41.000 this letter and to counter this and to to take this fight and to protect consumers basically 00:21:41.560 --> 00:21:47.240 so that we from August on will have these rules on general will purpose AI being into force. 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.760 You will probably follow this conversation for us right? 00:21:53.640 --> 00:22:01.880 Absolutely and also most likely exactly and it's also most likely that we will come together 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:10.200 around August I guess where we might give a follow-up on this and yeah you dear listeners know 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:16.520 what happened in the end so if the rules on general purpose AI are implemented and or if they 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:24.200 postpone these and also how it's going to be continued with the high-risk AI and also as 00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:30.600 said there are currently discussions on copyright in the European Parliament which will be discussed 00:22:30.600 --> 00:22:37.960 on the 15th of July in the committee. Also here we will see how the debates are going to be 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:45.160 kicked off or ended so depending on how you look at it and then we will cover this yeah 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:51.640 most likely in August and see what happened until then if you should happen to run into decision 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:58.600 makers working on this let them know that we as civil society want those rules we want 00:22:59.320 --> 00:23:05.160 that the AI act enters into force as for them and as planned there should be no further delay 00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:08.040 so let them know that this is our position and maybe this helps. 00:23:09.560 --> 00:23:14.360 Thank you so much Alex thank you so much for walking us through AI act and about the current 00:23:14.360 --> 00:23:22.600 debates here in light of the time I would say we cut a close here any closing remarks from your side 00:23:22.600 --> 00:23:32.200 on this AI act point. Not only AI act but I have a remark on our podcast so since we have a transcript 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:39.400 of the podcast which is generated automatically we were wondering if you are using this if you 00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:46.040 read through this and how you like it and if you see any kind of improvements we could implement 00:23:46.600 --> 00:23:54.920 that are easily to be implement so we don't want to spend 20 hours on a very perfect transcript so 00:23:54.920 --> 00:24:00.360 this is not possible with our resources but if you could have a look at this and let us know if this 00:24:00.360 --> 00:24:06.040 is something which is useful for you or how we can improve it with two or three clicks then we are 00:24:06.040 --> 00:24:12.040 also happy to learn from you and yeah let us know if this is a useful thing with the transcript 00:24:12.040 --> 00:24:20.360 if you use it and if you see any improvements for us. Thank you thank you very much for pointing 00:24:20.360 --> 00:24:27.400 this out and we are happy to welcome your feedback. So Alex thank you so much for your time thank you 00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:33.960 so much for being here it was a pleasure as always and yeah thank you. Looking forward to the next 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:41.640 episode. I also have something that I would like to highlight now before the summer pause starts. I 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:47.640 know we will be back in August but until our next software freedom podcast episode I would like 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:54.600 to point out a podcast to you called Linux InLaws. The Linux InLaws is a podcast hosted by 00:24:54.600 --> 00:25:01.320 Chris and Martin and Martin and Chris they just have a wonderful and easy way to talk about free 00:25:01.320 --> 00:25:06.840 software topics and yeah it's very easy to listen to and to dive into the ramps of the free 00:25:06.840 --> 00:25:14.760 software world in a fun and light way. I'm very happy to point you to the season two episode 40 00:25:14.760 --> 00:25:20.600 which was just recently released it's called flossing education and in this episode Martin 00:25:20.600 --> 00:25:25.640 and Chris talk about free software in the educational sector which I found very enlightening and 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:33.880 very funny and to also point you to a slightly older episode from season one episode 82 where Matthias 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:41.000 Kirschner our president read the book Ada and Zangemann. Yeah if you have some time give them a 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:47.640 listen and come back to our podcast afterwards. Happy to see you around. 00:25:50.600 --> 00:25:55.960 This was the software freedom podcast. If you liked this episode please recommend it to your friends 00:25:55.960 --> 00:26:01.400 and rate it. 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