Transcript of SFP#9: I Love Free Software Day
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WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:18.480 Welcome to the Software Freedom Podcast. 00:18.480 --> 00:21.880 This podcast is presented to you by the Free Software Foundation Europe. 00:21.880 --> 00:25.240 We are a charity that empowers users to control technology. 00:25.240 --> 00:28.920 I'm Matthias Kushner, the President of the Free Software Foundation Europe, and I'm doing 00:28.920 --> 00:32.000 this podcast together with my colleague, Bonnie Merring. 00:32.000 --> 00:33.000 Hello. 00:33.000 --> 00:38.320 In this podcast episode, we will talk about the I Love Free Software Day, and we will 00:38.320 --> 00:41.280 discover how it came into existence. 00:41.280 --> 00:46.600 And I also talked with several people from our community and asked them why they think 00:46.600 --> 00:50.920 it's important to say thank you and celebrate the I Love Free Software Day and share our 00:50.920 --> 00:53.160 love for free software together. 00:53.160 --> 01:00.240 So Matthias, how did the I Love Free Software Day came into existence nearly 11 years ago? 01:00.240 --> 01:11.160 So yeah, that was in the end of 2009, beginning of 2010, where I was not a big fan of the 01:11.160 --> 01:17.960 Valentine's Day and I didn't like this commercial aspects of it, connecting this with saying 01:17.960 --> 01:22.800 others that you like them or love them. 01:22.800 --> 01:31.600 And so I just had this idea that when now on the Valentine's Day on 14th of February, 01:31.600 --> 01:33.960 the flower industry is always benefiting. 01:33.960 --> 01:40.280 Can't we use this day to benefit some of the groups? 01:40.280 --> 01:41.680 I appreciate a lot. 01:41.680 --> 01:47.760 So I thought it might be nice to use this day as a day to encourage people to say thank 01:47.760 --> 01:51.520 you in the free software community. 01:51.520 --> 01:56.400 And yeah, from this idea, it then started that we thought, okay, others agreed, let's 01:56.400 --> 02:03.480 use this day to encourage people to say thank you to other free software contributors. 02:03.480 --> 02:08.760 And we started to announce this day then and encourage people to do this. 02:08.760 --> 02:11.000 And from there on, then it started. 02:11.000 --> 02:19.040 So it was mainly a bit annoyance on the day as it is in several countries with a lot 02:19.040 --> 02:21.600 of commercial part of it. 02:21.600 --> 02:26.480 And then how can we translate that to our free software community and not just the 02:26.480 --> 02:29.200 romantic part of it? 02:29.200 --> 02:35.360 Okay, so you decided to share some love for free software. 02:35.360 --> 02:45.400 And what would you say was the most memorable activity or, yeah, let's say activity that 02:45.400 --> 02:50.200 happened during the last 11 years for the I love free software day? 02:50.200 --> 02:57.840 I think it's really difficult to point that to nail it down on one or a few activities. 02:57.840 --> 03:06.840 So for me, there are a few things, of course, which I remember, I directly remember, like 03:06.840 --> 03:13.960 as someone who loves comics myself, there are some really nice comics there, which people 03:13.960 --> 03:20.320 created for the I love free software day, there was also a very nice activity by some 03:20.320 --> 03:27.160 FSFE volunteers in Berlin and Frankfurt, where they use so-called gobo-pro-checktours. 03:27.160 --> 03:33.160 So light pro-checktours and during the night, pro-checkt it free software messages on 03:33.160 --> 03:35.600 public buildings. 03:35.600 --> 03:44.400 And one other part was also very, very nice to see that after a few years, there were other 03:44.400 --> 03:51.240 people joining, more people joining, then also some political parties or politicians joining 03:51.240 --> 03:58.360 like in one year, there was the whole parliamentary group of the Green Party in Germany, which 03:58.360 --> 04:02.720 shared an article by the I love free software with a picture of themselves. 04:02.720 --> 04:12.960 Or I remember a short video by Julia Reda throwing down some balloons with VLC colors. 04:12.960 --> 04:20.800 It was a video online color there and I think she was wearing a hat of VLC there. 04:20.800 --> 04:29.440 And we also, I remember that we were sitting in the FSFE office folding letters and adding 04:29.440 --> 04:35.240 roses to them, sending it to all members in the German parliament. 04:35.240 --> 04:39.840 And yeah, there were some other highlights, like at the first year or the second year, 04:39.840 --> 04:46.680 I was preparing some chocolate hearts with the message I love free software, but I love 04:46.680 --> 04:47.680 you more. 04:47.680 --> 04:51.400 And I was selling them at Fostem at the booth. 04:51.400 --> 05:01.680 Yeah, that was also nice or also other smaller things like decorating the office with balloons 05:01.680 --> 05:05.080 and baking muffins for my colleagues. 05:05.080 --> 05:07.840 That's something which I remember of course. 05:07.840 --> 05:14.920 And yeah, then also some, I think in general, it's really, it's a sum of all those small 05:14.920 --> 05:15.920 activities. 05:15.920 --> 05:21.560 It's it's some people or organizations who participated every year, like, I mean, definitely 05:21.560 --> 05:28.400 like wiki data or the document foundation day every year from what I remember they participated 05:28.400 --> 05:29.400 there. 05:29.400 --> 05:35.840 And people were sending messages every year, some had some really good ideas in one year. 05:35.840 --> 05:42.920 And so there were so many cool pictures and things I heard from others that they received 05:42.920 --> 05:45.760 the thank you by someone else and we're very happy about that. 05:45.760 --> 05:50.040 And so it's, it's really the sum of all those small things, not so much that the big ones 05:50.040 --> 05:51.040 I just mentioned. 05:51.040 --> 05:55.920 Yeah, I also remember them, but it's more this general feeling about all those small messages 05:55.920 --> 05:57.400 which I heard about. 05:57.400 --> 06:07.000 Okay, so it's more the coming together and sharing our love and our support for free software. 06:07.000 --> 06:16.560 Now, I mean, for me, the main aspect is still that people say thank you to someone else. 06:16.560 --> 06:22.920 And I mean, the activities there, they, a few of them, which I mentioned, they were there 06:22.920 --> 06:26.400 so that we can remind people to say thank you. 06:26.400 --> 06:30.480 But it's not so much about those activities or this part of it. 06:30.480 --> 06:35.200 The most important thing for me is the, the part that people actually do this. 06:35.200 --> 06:40.560 And they, they lead by, they don't so much talk about saying thank you, but they actually 06:40.560 --> 06:41.560 say thank you. 06:41.560 --> 06:47.520 Okay, this is a really good answer. 06:47.520 --> 06:51.640 What would you say, how did the I love free software they change over the years? 06:51.640 --> 06:55.320 Was there a difference in celebrating the I love free software, the early stages of 06:55.320 --> 07:01.000 the campaign to compare, for example, this year or the last year? 07:02.000 --> 07:08.760 I mean, I think in general, you, you see a little bit how, how it became a bit more professional. 07:08.760 --> 07:15.560 How we do it as a beginning when I, when I read the, the all the announcements, I think 07:15.560 --> 07:20.840 you can explain it well better nowadays with some more experience. 07:20.840 --> 07:27.160 Then we also, of course, over the time we had some, some more graphics. 07:27.160 --> 07:32.720 We had some t-shirts you can wear to promote it or to show your, your love for the work 07:32.720 --> 07:33.720 of others. 07:33.720 --> 07:38.720 There are some balloons, leaflets, or in one year we had some stress balls. 07:38.720 --> 07:44.560 So in case when, when you, when you want to write an angry buck report during the year or 07:44.560 --> 07:49.080 so you remember, oh, yeah, I should be thankful to others. 07:49.080 --> 07:54.720 Let's press this a hundred times and then write this, this email again. 07:54.720 --> 08:00.520 And any general, I mean, one of the things that, that you see is that more and more people 08:00.520 --> 08:07.000 participated and, and that it became and quite established tradition meanwhile that you 08:07.000 --> 08:12.560 don't have to remind people about it again, but they already have it in their calendars. 08:12.560 --> 08:17.160 There are even some, some programs where there are pop-up notices about the I love free software. 08:17.160 --> 08:23.240 They, so, yeah, it's from, from the message itself, it didn't change much. 08:23.240 --> 08:28.280 People had a lot of great ideas, what, what you can do there and that's inspiring others 08:28.280 --> 08:29.680 again then. 08:29.680 --> 08:36.720 But in general, it, it stayed the same over all those years that it's a day to thank 08:36.720 --> 08:42.560 other free software contributors about their, for their work and encourage others to do 08:42.560 --> 08:44.520 the same by doing this. 08:44.520 --> 08:45.520 So. 08:45.520 --> 08:47.000 Okay. 08:47.000 --> 08:52.040 And why do you think it is important to say thank you? 08:52.040 --> 09:00.000 Well, I think for, if you appreciate something others do, then why not say it to them? 09:00.000 --> 09:07.120 So I think it's motivating to receive feedback from others that you are doing something important. 09:07.120 --> 09:13.200 It's, it's something that, yeah, don't, don't just think about someone else is doing 09:13.200 --> 09:14.200 something great. 09:14.200 --> 09:21.520 Oh, I like their work, but actually say it, say it out loud, tell them either, I mean, 09:21.520 --> 09:26.080 say it to them in an email where you write in there in your own name, if you feel the 09:26.080 --> 09:31.920 child whatsoever, then you can also like with Valentine's Day, original day, also send 09:31.920 --> 09:35.480 an anonymous message thanking them for their work. 09:35.480 --> 09:41.640 And I think if you, if there's one day where you remember to say thank you, it's then 09:41.640 --> 09:45.240 also way easier to remember saying thank you over the rest of the year. 09:45.240 --> 09:50.920 So I mean, that's, that's one of the things that the goal when we started that was not 09:50.920 --> 09:57.080 so much that just say thank you on this one day and the rest of the year, you can be, 09:57.080 --> 10:03.600 you can say bad things to others and behave inappropriate and so on, that's not the idea. 10:03.600 --> 10:10.240 The idea is remember to be thankful to others, thank them for their work, either if they 10:10.240 --> 10:16.200 do their work in their volunteer time or if they even also do their free software work 10:16.200 --> 10:17.960 being paid for it. 10:17.960 --> 10:22.680 If you benefit from that and you appreciate other people's work there, use this day 10:22.680 --> 10:24.920 to say thank you. 10:24.920 --> 10:29.280 And while doing that, then afterwards remember to also do that over the rest of the year 10:29.280 --> 10:33.080 because you don't have to wait for the 14th of February. 10:33.080 --> 10:38.520 You can tell them also during summer or in the end of the year that you, you like what 10:38.520 --> 10:39.520 they are doing. 10:39.520 --> 10:45.120 And I mean, I'm, I'm just convinced that when you did it once, it's easier to do it the 10:45.120 --> 10:50.120 next time and when you did it twice, it's easier to do it the third time. 10:50.120 --> 10:57.760 So I hope that it helps people to say thank you several times during the year and say thank 10:57.760 --> 11:05.880 you to other people there who are also working for software freedom. 11:05.880 --> 11:10.520 So I was also wondering what others from the free software community think about the 11:10.520 --> 11:16.680 free software day and why they think it's important to share our love for free software. 11:16.680 --> 11:22.000 I talked to several people from the free software community and asked them why they think 11:22.000 --> 11:24.520 it's important to say thank you. 11:24.520 --> 11:29.880 I would like to start with Greg Farrow from the free software foundation with Greg Crower 11:29.880 --> 11:36.400 Hartman, who's one of the Linux kernel developers with Lydia Pincher, who's the vice president 11:36.400 --> 11:44.760 from KDE and the Florian Femberga, who is the executive director of that document foundation. 11:44.760 --> 11:48.400 So Greg, why do you think it's important to say thank you. 11:48.400 --> 11:53.440 Hey, this is Greg Farrow, the campaigns manager at the free software foundation. 11:53.440 --> 11:56.800 You know, all of us in the community depend on free software, but we don't always take 11:56.800 --> 12:01.200 the time to let its developers and development community know how much we appreciate them. 12:01.200 --> 12:06.000 So I'm glad we have something like I love free software day to remind us to do that. 12:06.000 --> 12:09.080 Hey, Greg. 12:09.080 --> 12:12.000 So why do you think it's important to say thank you? 12:12.000 --> 12:18.960 It's important to thank anybody who does something that they don't have to do for your use, 12:18.960 --> 12:19.960 right? 12:19.960 --> 12:20.960 I mean, that's just nice. 12:20.960 --> 12:21.960 That's good manners. 12:21.960 --> 12:26.720 They're giving you something that they don't have to give you, but they are and you can 12:26.720 --> 12:28.240 take advantage of that. 12:28.240 --> 12:29.520 You can use that, not take advantage. 12:29.520 --> 12:30.520 You can use that. 12:30.520 --> 12:33.440 So of course they should be thanked. 12:33.440 --> 12:36.000 Do you think it keeps projects alive? 12:36.000 --> 12:38.440 It's just basic human manners. 12:38.440 --> 12:41.760 So yes, it's always nice to feel appreciated, right? 12:41.760 --> 12:46.560 So if somebody sends me something or if I send a patch out to somebody, I want to at least 12:46.560 --> 12:50.040 have it acknowledged that they received it, whether it's good, whether it's bad or 12:50.040 --> 12:54.640 what not, because if not, then why would you want to continue to contribute? 12:54.640 --> 12:59.920 So yes, I think it's very important for projects to do that. 13:00.920 --> 13:04.880 Why do you think it's important to say thank you? 13:04.880 --> 13:10.440 I think it's really important to say thank you to each other in free software, because 13:10.440 --> 13:18.880 so many people pour in endless hours of work and it can be rare, rare, endless job at 13:18.880 --> 13:19.880 times. 13:19.880 --> 13:28.840 And a simple thank you here and there can really help show some appreciation and show 13:28.840 --> 13:34.280 that the work that people are doing is really valuable and appreciated. 13:34.280 --> 13:37.160 Do you think it keeps people motivated? 13:37.160 --> 13:48.880 Yes, seeing the positive impact that your work has on other people is really motivating 13:48.880 --> 13:54.840 and one way to know that your work is actually having an impact and that your program, for 13:54.840 --> 14:01.200 example, is being used by someone is if someone sent you an email saying thank you for what 14:01.200 --> 14:09.400 you've done and showing some appreciation for that. 14:09.400 --> 14:11.680 Hello, nice to meet you. 14:11.680 --> 14:17.520 So I'm Florian from the Document Foundation, I'm the Executive Director and I've been 14:17.520 --> 14:23.440 involved in the Libre Office project for many, many years since the beginning and in 14:23.440 --> 14:30.800 the area of free software, I think since 2004, so for quite a while. 14:30.800 --> 14:36.800 So I think it's important to remember that free software basically drives our lives every 14:36.800 --> 14:37.800 day. 14:37.800 --> 14:40.520 So when you wake up in the morning, you might have one of those fancy coffee machines 14:40.520 --> 14:46.080 at home that help you start into the day on the road when we're working, we have mobiles 14:46.080 --> 14:52.280 and tablets that help us to be productive, then we use the internet for research, also 14:52.280 --> 14:57.320 streaming music and movies and of course these days staying in touch with our loved ones 14:57.320 --> 15:02.400 while we're conferencing and all of that even if we might not know that is often powered 15:02.400 --> 15:04.480 by free software. 15:04.480 --> 15:10.080 Looking at the future, cars driving, autonomous and whatnot, also that can literally be driven 15:10.080 --> 15:16.040 by free software and free software traditionally is created in communities. 15:16.040 --> 15:22.200 But communities are in the end always made up of human beings, of individuals contributing 15:22.200 --> 15:23.200 for whatever reason. 15:23.200 --> 15:29.960 It wasn't here, it paid, they worked together on the same goal and I think it's important 15:29.960 --> 15:37.080 to thank everyone involved because it helps you to stay motivated, that is an appreciation, 15:37.080 --> 15:41.680 that means we don't take things for granted but we appreciate what you're doing and it 15:41.680 --> 15:47.640 goes from developers to localizers to testers, people marketing, design, infrastructure 15:47.640 --> 15:52.880 and all the dozens of areas that we have in free software that help to make these ideas 15:52.880 --> 15:54.720 come to life. 15:54.720 --> 16:00.000 So it's important to thank everyone who contributes their time, their passion and their skills 16:00.000 --> 16:01.920 into that area. 16:01.920 --> 16:08.160 I also talk with two people from the FSF Eastlinger Network, Miriam Bauhausen who is also part 16:08.160 --> 16:14.000 of the program committee of the legal licensing workshop and Pamela Chastak, who is also part 16:14.000 --> 16:19.560 of the legal network and is also on the board of the open sites initiative. 16:19.560 --> 16:21.480 So let's see what they have to say. 16:21.480 --> 16:29.200 Hi, I'm Miriam Bauhausen and I'm here to say thank you to free software developers because 16:29.200 --> 16:35.800 they have been really involved in a really good idea and really good approach and software 16:35.800 --> 16:43.920 is just everywhere and they have been supporting development of software for such a long time 16:43.920 --> 16:48.600 and engaging in the community and making things better for everyone. 16:48.600 --> 16:53.880 Hi, I'm Pamela. 16:53.880 --> 17:01.160 The free software movement sort of restores my faith in humanity and I know that that's 17:01.160 --> 17:08.760 kind of a big statement to make, but we have this, so I'm a copyright lawyer. 17:08.760 --> 17:14.720 So the things that I say tend to focus on the law and sort of the legal aspects, but I 17:14.720 --> 17:18.240 do know that I have kind of blinders on. 17:18.240 --> 17:26.480 But the reason I say that is that there's this sort of belief that people only create 17:26.480 --> 17:31.000 works if they're compensated for it. 17:31.000 --> 17:35.320 That's actually built into the US Constitution that says, well, we'll protect copyright because 17:35.320 --> 17:42.360 it encourages people to create works in order to financially exploit them. 17:42.360 --> 17:45.720 And I've kind of never believed that. 17:45.720 --> 17:53.280 And so the entire free software world creates these works because they love what they do, 17:53.280 --> 17:55.080 they love to create them. 17:55.080 --> 18:00.920 And they're not, yes, getting paid to do it is a lovely thing, but there's so much more 18:00.920 --> 18:02.160 motive behind that. 18:02.160 --> 18:07.800 And it's a motive of sharing and a motive of caring about other people and about collaboration. 18:07.800 --> 18:14.920 And so it's just a very inspiring environment and movement for me to be involved with because 18:14.920 --> 18:20.080 people are so giving of themselves and I just really am very touched by that. 18:25.760 --> 18:32.800 And last but not least, I talked with Paulina Malaya, who is a volunteer 30 FSF East care 18:32.800 --> 18:35.600 team, for example. 18:35.600 --> 18:42.080 And she also works for a center who is the council of European national top level domain 18:42.080 --> 18:43.800 registry. 18:43.800 --> 18:49.200 And her answer let me reflect on the way I think about free software in a more philosophical 18:49.200 --> 18:50.200 way. 18:50.200 --> 18:56.200 I'm really happy to share her answer with you. 18:56.200 --> 18:58.440 Free software powers our world. 18:58.440 --> 19:03.360 Our phones, the internet of things and pieces of critical digital infrastructure run on 19:03.360 --> 19:04.520 free software. 19:04.520 --> 19:09.920 However, behind these devices and applications are people who build, maintain and improve 19:09.920 --> 19:12.120 this for the benefit of all. 19:12.120 --> 19:17.440 As free software allows everybody to use, study, share and improve it, the individual effort 19:17.440 --> 19:22.800 behind can sometimes be a bit more hidden because it may seem that in a way it belongs 19:22.800 --> 19:25.800 to everybody and nobody at the same time. 19:25.800 --> 19:27.680 But this is misleading. 19:27.680 --> 19:31.680 And I think that it is important to thank free software developers for their continuous 19:31.680 --> 19:37.760 contributions and all the great software out there that helps out communities, researchers, 19:37.760 --> 19:42.160 tinkerers and everyone else to be empowered by technology. 19:42.160 --> 19:47.360 Their continuous efforts are needed to ensure that free software remains the cornerstone 19:47.360 --> 19:53.120 of open culture and free society. 19:53.120 --> 19:58.200 I also ask those people who they would like to say thank you to and I'm grateful that 19:58.200 --> 20:03.320 I now have the opportunity to share their love and their thanks for free software with 20:03.320 --> 20:08.160 you and with the whole free software community and the different projects they say thank 20:08.160 --> 20:10.560 you to. 20:10.560 --> 20:12.080 Just listen to their answers. 20:12.080 --> 20:17.040 For my part, I'd like to thank all the developers and hackers on GNU EMAX and GNU Screen. 20:17.040 --> 20:21.160 Two tools I've been using just about as long as I can remember and thanks to you to all 20:21.160 --> 20:25.320 the free software supporters out there who keep on advocating for freedom in their communities 20:25.320 --> 20:28.800 whether that's the workplace school, wherever they happen to be. 20:28.800 --> 20:35.000 Thanks a lot, see you next year. 20:35.000 --> 20:38.720 I thank everybody who contributes to Linux when they send me a patch. 20:38.720 --> 20:44.480 So I thank them by acknowledging their change and either giving them feedback or saying 20:44.480 --> 20:46.600 that I accept their patch and thanks for that. 20:46.600 --> 20:52.200 So I do that today for Linux, but there's loads of other projects out there that I rely 20:52.200 --> 20:53.200 on every day. 20:53.200 --> 21:00.760 So the tools that I rely on, like the compilers, GCC, Coreytales from GNU Project, MUT, 21:00.760 --> 21:07.240 my email client, browsers, Chrome or Firefox. 21:07.240 --> 21:13.320 I rely on these every day, X windows, the wayland, the basic low-level plumbing of Linux 21:13.320 --> 21:15.840 is what I rely on every day. 21:15.840 --> 21:20.160 So I think I would love to thank those authors and thank them for doing that work because 21:20.160 --> 21:24.440 it enables me to make a kernel that everybody else can build those things on top of. 21:24.440 --> 21:32.840 So thank you. 21:32.840 --> 21:44.280 There are a lot of people I would think starting with every single contributor that puts time 21:44.280 --> 21:55.680 into making KDE software amazing, of course, since that is my home community, so to say. 21:55.680 --> 22:03.360 But there's a ton of other people who make the software that I use every day. 22:03.360 --> 22:09.760 You can go on with the Linux distribution that I use or the video land people who make 22:09.760 --> 22:18.680 an amazing video player just to name a few. 22:18.680 --> 22:20.880 So I feel there's probably too many to remember. 22:20.880 --> 22:25.880 Of course, with my LibreOffice head on, I'd like to thank all the contributors to LibreOffice 22:25.880 --> 22:31.000 and to the documentation project, whether they're in the videos, companies, the end users, 22:31.000 --> 22:37.080 the donors, all of them they make the project fly without them, the project wouldn't be possible. 22:37.080 --> 22:42.480 And then thinking of my use of free software, there are so many projects worldwide, some 22:42.480 --> 22:43.480 of them really visible. 22:43.480 --> 22:49.440 You have a browser, you have a mail client, but then there are many projects that we might 22:49.440 --> 22:54.960 not immediately recognize to provide the infrastructure that we use, that runs somehow 22:54.960 --> 22:59.640 magically in the background or they provide libraries for the tools that we build. 22:59.640 --> 23:05.920 So there are so many projects that I really don't want to just focus on one specific name. 23:05.920 --> 23:11.800 I use a lot of free software each day, I'm productive with that, I get entertainment 23:11.800 --> 23:17.160 with that, I can grow my skills with free software, I can hack around a bit. 23:17.160 --> 23:22.760 So I'd just like to thank everyone who's involved in that, as a coder, being working on open 23:22.760 --> 23:28.320 standards, spreading the word, documenting, localizing, I think each and every contribution 23:28.320 --> 23:33.160 is really important, each and every contribution makes a difference. 23:33.160 --> 23:39.800 And we all need one another, so it's really great to be part of a community, be it as a consumer 23:39.800 --> 23:45.840 or as a creator, so just like to thank everyone dedicating their energy and passion into that. 23:45.840 --> 23:53.800 It really improves our daily lives and for me personally is a big part of what my personal 23:53.800 --> 23:58.240 and professional life is about. 23:58.240 --> 24:05.960 I would thank the fantastic people on the legal network who continuously raised such great 24:05.960 --> 24:12.240 questions and provide input, provide their thoughts on whatever questions they come up with, 24:12.240 --> 24:17.600 whatever questions they have, and interesting material they run across, and it's just great 24:17.600 --> 24:26.280 to be a part of that and great to connect with them, discuss with them, and it's just always 24:26.280 --> 24:33.120 a good time to hear from them. 24:33.120 --> 24:39.200 I certainly would love to thank all of the open source lawyers who have helped me learn 24:39.200 --> 24:41.880 and continue to help me learn. 24:41.880 --> 24:50.640 They are universally generous with their time and knowledge and allow me to get the knowledge 24:50.640 --> 24:55.360 that I have, so certainly I thank them so much. 24:55.360 --> 25:02.480 And I thank those, one person who particularly comes to mind is Karen Sandler, who has, if 25:02.480 --> 25:06.720 you've heard her story, she's a very personal story about why she's involved in open source 25:06.720 --> 25:11.920 software and free software, which is, you know, it sort of exemplifies to me what the 25:11.920 --> 25:17.960 value is of free software and why we need to have it and why it's important. 25:17.960 --> 25:24.560 Just, you know, so many, just so many, everybody that I meet at the conferences when I go to 25:24.560 --> 25:30.360 FASDEM and, you know, have the opportunity to see all the developers and all the energy. 25:30.360 --> 25:33.320 It's just a wonderful, wonderful experience. 25:33.320 --> 25:43.080 So I just so many people, just incredibly grateful to know such wonderful people. 25:43.080 --> 25:49.920 I would like to thank everybody who is behind such great projects and communities like, 25:49.920 --> 25:59.120 first of all, Nupi G, then from a soft, of course, signal and my two favorite Linux distributions 25:59.120 --> 26:01.640 Ubuntu and elementary. 26:01.640 --> 26:09.120 And finally, I just want to say thanks to all other countless, wonderful free software 26:09.120 --> 26:14.600 projects out there as well, that I forgot to mention, but that continue improving my everyday 26:14.600 --> 26:16.800 life. 26:16.800 --> 26:23.200 I would like to say thank you to Greg Farrell, to Greg Karohatman, to Lydia, Florian, 26:23.200 --> 26:27.440 Pavela, Palina and Miriam for their contribution to this podcast. 26:27.440 --> 26:28.440 Thank you, Roomba. 26:28.440 --> 26:32.080 Thanks to you, Bonnie, for making sure that more people know about the other free software 26:32.080 --> 26:34.480 day and hopefully say thank you. 26:34.480 --> 26:40.120 So especially in the times of little direct feedback at events like when you usually meet 26:40.120 --> 26:46.720 people at a conference and send them, give them a short sign of the abbreviation, short 26:46.720 --> 26:47.720 thank you. 26:47.720 --> 26:54.240 It's, it's especially important now to, to thank people who are working towards more software 26:54.240 --> 26:55.480 freedom there. 26:55.480 --> 27:02.400 So my request to you is use this 14th of February, make sure that you say at least one other 27:02.400 --> 27:06.800 person in our movement, thank you about it, about their work. 27:06.800 --> 27:11.800 And yeah, then hopefully we can all soon do that again in person. 27:11.800 --> 27:15.880 But for this year, please remember to do this in a virtual way. 27:15.880 --> 27:17.680 Thank you very much. 27:17.680 --> 27:21.840 Bye. 27:21.840 --> 27:23.920 This was the software freedom podcast. 27:23.920 --> 27:27.720 If you liked this episode, please recommend it to your fans and rate it. 27:27.720 --> 27:31.320 Also subscribe to make sure you get the next episode. 27:31.320 --> 27:35.440 This podcast is presented to you by the free 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